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Here’s what we’re asking about today:
How are two Ohio House Republicans following in the footsteps of the Trump Administration with their own full frontal attack on the First Amendment?
Speaking of attacks on the First Amendment, Democrats do it, too. How can anyone justify a felony charge against a pastor who was removed from a Cuyahoga County Council meeting for being unruly. Can you say, overcharged?
How might the Ohio House penalize all the students in a school district over the use of names or pronouns used by just a handful of students, or even just one?
You might know, from the terrible smell, that manufacturing fossil-fuel-based asphalt is bad for the environment. But most probably are not aware how much damage manufacturing concrete does, too. What does Congressman Max Miller want to do about these basic building products, which are ubiquitous?
What’s the thought behind Ohio Republicans seeking to limit where people from China or Iran can buy property in the state, and what do critics say could be a consequence?
You’d think these folks might be covered by rules that prohibit strikes because they provide such vital services. Which Cuyahoga County board faces a strike, and who are the people who would be harmed?
How is a tech sector manufacturing startup based in Solon emblematic of all the distrust we have between United States and China? And how was this novel solution, which is great for Northeast Ohio, come upon?
Give Chris Ronayne and Mike O’Malley points for social justice. How has their hardline stand compelled the city of Cleveland to stop violating basic human rights by arresting people without charging them?
Spring allergy season is upon us. What does the latest forecast say we can expect in our region?
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Chris Quinn (00:01.045)
Laura Johnson is back for Today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer. I’m Chris Quinn here with Laura, as well as Courtney Astolfi and Lisa Garvin. And because we know Laura was up late last night, we’re going to start with her and see if we can confuse her. Laura Hauer, two Ohio House Republicans following in the footsteps of the Trump administration with their own full frontal attack on the First Amendment.
Laura (00:28.706)
Well, they’re proposing a bill that would allow prison sentences of up to six months for anyone who quotes harasses police officers. This is House Bill 20. It defines harass as conduct causing substantial emotional distress to an emergency responder in a manner that hinders their ability to perform legitimate official duties. So that could be as simple as yelling. Under this idea, the harassment must occur within 14 feet of the officer. And after she
or he has issued a warning. But after that, if you’re yelling obscenities from 13 yards back and it’s causing them distress, you could be arrested for that. Violators would be subject to a first degree misdemeanor, penalties up to that 180 days in jail, fine up to $1,000. And one of the two lead sponsors, shocking that these are both Republican, Phil Plummer worked as a sheriff and a deputy for 30 years. He said, this is
a halo bill that gives officers space to operate and creates a buffer between protesters, what he calls YouTube video people, you anyone who might be recording something of misdoing by police officers, people spitting at officers and other things like that.
Chris Quinn (01:40.223)
Yeah, these guys ought to just go to Russia and be part of an authoritarian government. This flat out illegal in America. You get to say what you think. You get to yell at people. There are already laws on the books. If you obstruct a police officer, if you do something that actually impedes the officer from doing what they’re supposed to do, you can be charged with a crime. But in this country, we cherish our right to call out anybody that’s on the tax
Laura (01:56.717)
Mm-hmm.
Laura (02:03.491)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (02:09.825)
dime for doing something that we disagree with. This flies in the face of the Constitution. These guys swore to uphold the laws of the United States when they took office, and they’re flat out violating them because they’re authoritarians. They don’t want democratic government. They don’t want people to have the First Amendment right. They should be run out of this country and put into an authoritarian country where their beliefs are more firmly in the background.
Lisa (02:37.712)
You know what bothers me and from reading the Sun News blotter you see it all the time, what about people in a mental health crisis? They usually lash out verbally or whatever, are they gonna just throw them in jail too?
Laura (02:44.174)
Mm.
Chris Quinn (02:44.491)
Right.
Chris Quinn (02:49.291)
Well, we have an absolute right to do it. I’m allowed to stand on the street and call out to a police officer, hey, you’re doing the wrong thing. That’s not illegal. That’s protected speech. That is what the First Amendment, it is the First Amendment, is there for. It’s to protect us from being abused because of stuff we have to say. The Trump administration is already violating it with the arrest of the protester.
at Columbia University. that’s illegal. He has a green card, he’s in the country legally, he has all of the rights of the rest of America, and because they didn’t like what he said, they’ve arrested him. It’s just completely unconstitutional and illegal, and it shouldn’t happen. Even Ted Dye didn’t agree with that. And here we have two legislators that are trying to do the same thing. They’re terrible people. They should not be in office. They are violating sacrosanct principles of our government.
and we should put their faces and names everywhere as anti-American.
Laura (03:51.342)
Yeah, I mean, if you’re 14 feet away, you could be obstructed. You maybe couldn’t video something. I mean, how are you causing harassment of a police officer by videoing what they’re doing unless they’re doing something wrong and they don’t want you to see it?
Chris Quinn (04:07.869)
It’s utter nonsense. you know, with our lawmakers, this could pass and then it’ll get ruled unconstitutional. Dave Yost, he won’t, but Dave Yost should speak up and say, guys, that’s illegal. Don’t do it. He should protect the rights of the people who elected him and coach these guys and say, you’re breaking the law. You’re violating the constitution. Don’t do this.
Laura (04:15.054)
Mm-hmm.
Laura (04:29.6)
Even the prosecutors association right said we already have laws on the book we can use those if we need it it’s obstructing obstructing something and then disorderly conduct right so if they’re causing actual problems they can already be arrested.
Chris Quinn (04:35.862)
Yeah.
Chris Quinn (04:44.343)
I’ve said it over and over again. Government is supposed to be of the people. These clowns think they lured over the people and the people should stop it. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Speaking of attacks on the First Amendment, Democrats do it too. How can anyone justify a felony charge against a pastor who was removed from a Cuyahoga County Council meeting for being unruly? Can you say overcharged? Courtney, what’s the story here?
Courtney (05:12.233)
Yeah, Reverend Evan R. Bunch, he’s the pastor of Cleveland’s 5th Christian Church Disciples of Christ. He was indicted by a grand jury Monday on felony obstruction charges as well as misdemeanor counts of resisting arrest, disturbing a lawful meeting, and disorderly conduct. Bunch was a member of the group that’s been protesting the county’s investments in Israel bonds, and that group was present at a February 11th meeting.
And he ended up getting carried out of it by sheriff’s deputies. You’re probably wondering what his alleged high crimes were here to warrant these charges. Bunch during that meeting had disrupted the pledge of allegiance by singing it loudly and in kind of like a drawn out longer way. Council president Dale Miller had asked for him to be removed following this incident. Deputies carried him out and
Under state law, obstructing official business can be elevated from a misdemeanor to a felony charge when it creates a risk of federal, of physical harm. They said one deputy had to be like checked out for a potential hand injury at the hospital after this. So it looks like that’s why Bunch got the felony here, but we heard from prosecutor Michael Malley and they’re standing fully behind this indictment at the prosecutor’s office.
They’re calling Bunch a frequent flyer in the criminal justice system. He apparently was arrested in 2022 after calling the Beachwood police department several times. And he was adjudicated of that. He’s an army vet. So he went through the veterans court for that incident. But a spokesman for O’Malley straight up said there are limits to a person’s right to free speech in handing up this indictment.
Chris Quinn (07:01.099)
There are limits and he did interrupt the meeting and it’s a misdemeanor. mean, frequently police have to escort unruly people from public meetings and they can charge them with a misdemeanor. Elevating it to a felony is preposterous and using the bogus thing that the guy had to get his hand checked out that this is physical harm. That’s not what the law was for. This is overcharging somebody. They don’t like what he’s doing. And I get it. If I were a county council person trying to conduct
the public’s business. I would not want somebody shouting me down. They do need to be removed. And if they resist the way he apparently did and they have to be carried out, okay, charge him with a misdemeanor. Going with the felony is ridiculous. You know, you wish that the Democrats looking at what the Republicans are doing to the First Amendment would be the lead by example. Do the right thing. This is ridiculous.
Courtney (07:56.299)
Yeah. And members of the Palestine Advocacy Group, that group he’s a part of that has been protesting these bonds, they accused deputies of using excessive force against Bunch here. They accused them of racist actions when they did this against Bunch. But these advocates that Bunch has teamed up with credit their own protest with getting the county to announce it in an indefinite pause on these investments so they feel like their actions are working.
Chris Quinn (08:25.887)
Yeah, but you can’t interrupt the public meetings the way they have. So the county is right to remove him. You can argue it’s right to charge him with a misdemeanor. But to turn this into a felony, which is a serious criminal record, it’s just nonsense. This is not what the law was created for. This is overcharging. It’s an abuse of the discretion.
Courtney (08:48.235)
We asked the county for comment and we got crickets.
Chris Quinn (08:51.383)
You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Lisa, how might the Ohio House want to penalize all students in a school district over the use of names of pronouns by a handful of students or even just one?
Lisa (09:05.415)
I want to threaten to take funding away from schools that violate this new proposed bill. It’s House Bill 190. It’s sponsored by Josh Williams, a Republican from Toledo. So it would state that public schools would lose state funding if using student names and pronouns that don’t match their birth gender without written permission from the parents.
They could also get penalized for even asking students their preferences, and this would apply to public charter and STEM schools, but not private schools. So it also mandates that the Department of Education and Workforce create a policy that all schools would have to adopt to handle complaints on alleged violations of this bill. They would have to investigate every complaint and submit a report to the DEW director.
If the violations are confirmed, they will withhold 10 % of public school funding each month until the district comes back into compliance.
Chris Quinn (10:03.253)
It’s like using a nuclear bomb to get rid of a hornet’s nest. It’s so overwrought in the way they’re going to punish an entire district for a tiny, tiny transgression. Just because we used the wrong pronoun and we used the wrong name, we’re going to make every kid in that district suffer. It’s another gross overreach by this legislature with its dog whistle issues as something that’s not a problem. It’s ridiculous that they would go this far.
over something so minor.
Lisa (10:34.707)
Well, and there might be some overlap because remember that parents bill of rights that was passed last year by the legislature and it’s going to take effect next month. That bill requires schools to notify parents if the child requests a different name gender. But Williams, the sponsor of this new bill says that’s not far enough. Parental permission is essential before they use their name. he so but this bill might get swallowed up or changed because of the Bill of Rights. So we’ll see what happens.
Chris Quinn (11:03.287)
Well, the other problem is doesn’t apply to private schools, even though they’re being funded by our tax dollars. We got a billion dollars going outside of the public school system. How can you not say if you take our money, you will adhere to the laws? It’s another exception to private schools that makes no sense with this legislature. And it’s just a bad day for the Ohio legislature doing lots of ridiculous stuff instead of taking care of the people’s business.
Lisa (11:06.79)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (11:33.259)
You’re listening to Today in Ohio. You might know from the terrible smell that manufacturing fossil fuel based asphalt is bad for the environment, but most probably you’re not aware of how much damage making concrete does as well. Laura, what does Congressman Max Miller want to do about these basic building products, which are everywhere?
Laura (11:53.4)
He wants to do something that helps the environment. I gotta applaud Max Miller on this. He wants the Department of Energy to collaborate with private industries on a dedicated research program so that they could develop and promote the use of low emission cement, concrete, and asphalt products. So he’s actually working across the aisle. I would not have expected this right now, but with North Carolina Democrat Valerie Foushee, this is the legislation they call the IMPACT Act.
innovative mitigation partnerships for asphalt and concrete technologies. Do you think there’s like an acronym creator in Congress that you get a password to when you’re elected that you just like put in what you want to do and it gives you a snazzy acronym, but they’d work together and promote the commercial use and it’s getting a lot of good reaction in Congress. So I can’t see a downside to this.
Chris Quinn (12:30.391)
Yeah, maybe.
Chris Quinn (12:44.799)
No, and these things do just consume massive amounts of energy. The heat needed to make concrete is quite high. And so it’s good somebody’s focusing on it because, like I said, all of these materials are everywhere you look. And if you can reduce their impact on the environment, you can make a big difference.
Laura (13:04.342)
Yeah, it’s global cement manufacturing is responsible for 8 % of the world’s current carbon dioxide emissions. That is massive. And when you look at what we’re doing in Ohio to basically not help the environment at all, you wonder, this is a national Republican legislator. What is the state going to say about it?
Chris Quinn (13:26.037)
Yeah.
Lisa (13:27.463)
also want to point out that we talked last week on the podcast about another thing he did for the environment, Miller, the Farm to Fly Act, where he wanted to get farms to produce biofuels for airplanes. So yeah, he’s kind of wearing the environmental banner here and I’m okay with that.
Laura (13:35.544)
Good point.
Chris Quinn (13:42.583)
Yeah, it’s good to see. You know, listening to today in Ohio Courtney, what’s the thought behind Ohio Republicans seeking to limit where people from China or Iran could buy property in the state and what the critics say could be a consequence of that?
Courtney (13:58.387)
Yeah, the thought here is to prevent national security risks like espionage or cyber attacks. And this is kind of the reason why Ohio Republican lawmakers are revisiting this push to ban so-called foreign adversaries from buying land near critical infrastructure. So on the foreign adversary list of countries or residents of those countries or businesses from those countries would be from China, Cuba, Russia, North Korea.
Venezuela and Iran. And under this House bill, it would stop them from buying property within 25 miles of Ohio military bases, water treatment plants, electricity plants, natural gas pipelines, broadband infrastructure, railroads and dams. we learned from Republican lawmakers, one of the sponsors of this is Representative Angela King from the Salina area.
She doesn’t want to see close proximity of folks from these countries, close to these important assets. And this has been somewhat of a trend in recent years. A lot of states a few years back banned, you know, foreign nationals like this from buying farmland in their states. Ohio has something similar, but we also saw a push to ban property sales to these groups from being close to military bases a couple of budgets ago.
Dwyane vetoed that. So we’re going to have to see how this new proposal plays out, but there’s apparently a push for it because there’s a similar bill in the state Senate.
Chris Quinn (15:36.459)
You get what they’re thinking though, because China in particular has shown a propensity to try and invade our space in every way they can. I remember the big balloon fiasco from a couple of years back. And if, if China was behind an effort to buy property near these facilities, it could help them try to disable them if ever we came to a conflict. So I can understand why they’re being so guarded. There is a history of China doing
dastardly deeds and trying to undermine our government. But it also could have an unintended consequence. We do have a bunch of people who come to this country to be doctors and things like that that would be limited in where they could buy property.
Courtney (16:19.945)
Yeah. And Mike DeWine, when he vetoed that proposal a few years back, said as much, said this could have unintended economic development consequences for the state. And we did hear amidst this current debate from state rep Juanita Brent. She’s from the Cleveland area, Democrat. She pointed out that doctor question that you raised, Chris, there’s foreign born doctors at the Cleveland clinic. They own homes here. They’re, community members here. She also even floated.
Guardians players maybe being you know impacted by this the I think the point is is that there’s a broad range of folks from all over the world that come here What would be the downstream effects?
Chris Quinn (16:59.829)
Okay, you’re listening to Today in Ohio. You’d think these folks might be covered by rules that prohibit strikes because the people provide such vital services. We saw which Cuyahoga County Board faces a strike and who are the people who would be harmed by it?
Lisa (17:15.953)
The board of developmental disabilities is calling for a strike. have 225 employees that are repped by SEIU 1199 and they have voted to strike over an ongoing contract dispute. There’s no date yet for the strike, but law requires that they have to give 10 days notice per union law before they strike. So this
board serves 14,500 adults and kids with disabilities. help them with housing, employment, and other resources. But union president Michael Wood says, this would have extreme impact on our clients. True. But he says, we want to avoid a strike if at all possible. They’ve been trying to negotiate a new contract since last October to increase their pay and decrease their workload. But they’ve been told by the board that they can’t afford that.
Board Superintendent Amber Gibbs says, offered them a fair and generous contract at a meeting March 12th with Federal Monitor, but that offer was rejected. Wood points out that, Gibbs got an $8,500 raise, so how can they say they can’t afford raises for everyone else? Gibbs, on behalf of the Department of Developmental Disabilities, has no details on a Plan B if a strike does occur.
Chris Quinn (18:31.507)
A strike would be devastating though to that population. People who have family members who need these services will be left scrambling to try and cover for them. It’s just, this is one of those agencies that shouldn’t be striking. It’s like school teachers and police where the service is too vital. There are other methods to bring pressure on this board to deal fairly. You could seek some political help, but to threaten the people that
are the least that have the most needs among us. It’s just wrong. And it’s kind of frightening that they would go that route. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. How is a tech sector manufacturing startup based in near-Solan emblematic of all the distrust we have between the United States and China, as we just discussed? And how is this novel solution, which is great for Northeast Ohio, come upon, Laura?
Laura (19:28.248)
So the new company is called Eagle Electronics. It was created in September and starting production this month on the first 4G modules ever made in the United States. These are the small computer components that connect a lot of things like cars to the internet through cell phone towers. So they’re testing these modules right now. They still need the OK from the FCC and individual cell carriers. They have tens of millions of dollars in pre-orders.
And this is all the product of an investment group known as the Ohio Fund. They began pursuing it about a year ago. They wanted to bring high tech businesses to Ohio. They invested $14 million to create this company and is the biggest investor. And what’s unique about this is Eagle is using these designs licensed from the Chinese based Quektel because obviously we don’t trust China.
to replicate these modules so they can be used interchangeably with the ones that are already being used.
Chris Quinn (20:27.275)
This this all comes down to China. Nobody trusts them. So whenever you have something technical like this now, they’re worried that there’s some secret thing put in that would help spy on America because there has been that in the past. So the FCC under Joe Biden finally finished the rules saying, yeah, OK, you can’t do those. You can’t bring those into America anymore. What’s really cool about this, though, is Ray Leach, who for
Laura (20:54.51)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (20:54.839)
for the longest time had been with Jumpstart, the startup promoting nonprofit in Cleveland, was part of a group that started that new fund last year, the Ohio Fund, because they don’t see enough investment in Ohio. So they put together this fund, they’re gonna grow it to get companies funded here, bring high tech jobs here. And this is a product of that. They saw the opening, they saw that there was going to be a vacuum for these parts.
They worked out the deal, they started it, they based it right here in Northeast Ohio, and this could grow and grow and grow. It’s the best kind of good news story for economic development we can have. We talk all the time about the dearth of leadership, bold leadership in Northeast Ohio. I would argue that what the Ohio Fund is trying to do fits the bold leadership idea. Absent the Ohio Fund, this is not happening, and it’s the beginning of something, and it’s very impressive.
Laura (21:31.128)
Mm-hmm.
Laura (21:48.237)
Right.
Laura (21:51.522)
Right, because there could be hundreds of Chinese companies looking to manufacture in the US. There really is no limit on what they could do here.
Chris Quinn (21:58.263)
Well, and the Chinese company gets the royalty, but they have nothing to do with it. We’ll know these products are bug free and we’ll have to see how it develops and where the Ohio fund goes. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Give Chris Ronane and Mike O’Malley points for social justice. How is their hardline stand compelled the city of Cleveland to stop violating basic human rights by arresting people without charging them, Courtney?
Courtney (22:28.245)
Cleveland appears to have fallen in line with the county’s demands here. It’s going to revise its policies around jailing people before they are charged with a crime. And to get there, the city is going to start staffing a city prosecutor within the booking process at the county jail so that charges can be levied before people are put behind bars. Like you mentioned, this comes as part of the kind of ongoing dispute between the city and county over who can be in the jail and ultimately
who’s paying for it. For a long time now, the city and county have been duking it out about who’s going to cover how much of the tab to jail these folks. So the county, you know, a few weeks back had given the city until April 26 to change its processes and stop putting people in jail who haven’t been charged. And at that time, the county had indicated it was going to pull the plug on letting these folks inside.
And the reason for the county’s demand is that a whole huge amount of people that haven’t been charged with crimes have historically been booked into the jail by Cleveland police. We found out by analyzing numbers that more than a thousand people last year were released without charges. That is crazy. That’s about 15 % of the total inmates that Cleveland police put in the jail. And even like the next highest police department that puts people in jail with
without charges with CMHA police and that’s 25 versus Cleveland’s 1000. So the problem here is with Cleveland and they’re apparently according to Cleveland law director, Mark Griffin, going to fund and staff city prosecutors within the central booking system. So they’ll be the ones that’ll levy the charges and they won’t go into jail until they’re charged.
Chris Quinn (24:19.317)
Well, and police will now know that if they bring somebody in without the probable cause to charge them, they won’t be taken. So this will stop that practice. The people that are brought to the jail, there’ll be actual probable cause to lodge a charge, which is the way it’s supposed to work. It’s I’ve said it for decades. It’s inexcusable the way Cleveland police bring people in without having that probable cause. I do think, though, that the better solution in the long term
would be to change the city charter and create a night court seat. nobody who’s in the municipal court now wants to work nights. That wasn’t what they ran for. But if you created a night court judge seat, then they would know that’s what they’re running for. And you could move cases through more quickly. Lots of cities have had night court. For some reason, Cleveland’s always opposed it. I do think you need to change the charter to actually create it as a night seat. But that would...
That would go a long way to resolving a lot of these cases.
Courtney (25:22.379)
And that piece of things is the arraignment process, comes after the charges. So hopefully this is one step towards really beefing up the county central booking process, which is meant to lower the population in the jail. And Cleveland’s been a problem in instituting those changes. So perhaps that is the next step.
Chris Quinn (25:43.583)
And I know Ronan and O’Malley did this because of the pricing dispute about what the city’s paying per prisoner. Although I think the city has made a pretty decent offer to raise that. I’m surprised that they haven’t accepted it yet. But it doesn’t matter how we got there. Cleveland will have more social justice. We will not be picking people up who have no reason to be in jail just to try and sweat them to be witnesses in a crime. It’s a really good news story for Cleveland.
You listening to Today in Ohio? Lisa, spring allergy season is upon us. What does the latest forecast say we can expect in our region? It seems like year after year we say, it’s going to be worse than the year before.
Lisa (26:24.007)
Well, looks like it might be a little bit better than average this year for some parts of Ohio. This ranking comes from the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America. ranked 100 U.S. cities. Cleveland and Akron are among six Ohio cities on the list. The number one on the list would be the worst pollen, number 100 would be the best or the least amount of pollen on the list. Cleveland came in at 96. Akron came in at 98, and that means a better than average pollen forecast.
Also low on the list, we’re Dayton at 83 and Cincinnati at 88. And they’re going to have a better than average season as well. But Columbus and Toledo were a little bit higher on the list. So that means they’re going to have an average pollen season. Columbus at number 48 and Toledo at number 49. The top five, and I’m shocked that Houston isn’t in this, but the top five are Wichita, Kansas, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Memphis.
and the rankings are based on pollen scores for trees, grass, and weeds. Also the amount of over-the-counter allergy medicine being used and the number of allergy specialists in the area. So I know Chris has allergies and I knew it was seasonal, but tree pollen is what comes first. That mostly is in the spring. The worst offenders are beech, cottonwood, maple, oak, poplar, mulberry, and willows. And then the grasses start to...
produce, you know, pollen in the late spring and summer and then weeds in the fall and I know that people are just tortured by ragweed that usually peaks in mid-September.
Chris Quinn (28:01.373)
I started feeling it a couple of weeks ago and I started to get the alerts that maple was in the air. It’s mild. Where I get zapped is toward the end of the tree pollen season when the oak comes out. That’s the one I’m super sensitive to. I’m not quite sure why they’re thinking it’s less this year based on what they’re studying because it’s too early to know whether people are getting prescriptions or going to the doctor. It’s just beginning.
Lisa (28:11.827)
Mmm.
Chris Quinn (28:30.987)
Did the cold winter have something to do with it? To say they expect it’s going to be less severe and then list what they judged it on, I had questions that really didn’t get answered.
Lisa (28:44.133)
Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see. And I’m surprised that pine trees aren’t like the worst offenders too. I mean, I think a lot of people seen that video where a bulldozer bumps a pine tree and he just gets covered with pollen. It’s like, ugh.
Chris Quinn (28:55.477)
Yeah. Yeah, what’s so tiny too, man, it just gets in the gets in your eyes or nasal passages. Well, hopefully the prediction is correct and we’ll have a milder season to enjoy spring. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. That does it for Wednesday. Thanks, Courtney. Thanks, Lisa. Thanks, Laura. Thank you for listening to Today in Ohio.